Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
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Martin Saffer
May 14, 2009
10:25 am
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Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
According to the Times story by Geoff Hamill, the Greenbrier County Wind Mills will be visible from the Cranberry Wilderness and other areas in the National Forest. The problem with West Virginia is that it still has no clue as to planning and its vision of itself; thus we have Wind Farms next to Wilderness areas. It's a simple problem really in that you can not be two things at once, you can not have your cake and eat it too. So if tourism and the last true pristine environment is your "meal ticket" then why on earth try to plow roads and put up wind mills and have electric towers etc. spoil all that. Do we not trust our instincts that Wild Wonderful West Virginia is our bread and butter and when it becomes "Open for Business" that part of the life of West Virginians that we all love will be lost forever. When you remove mountain tops they don't grow back!!!!! |
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Joe Ferretti
May 14, 2009
10:34 am
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
When you remove mountain tops and fill valleys you also disrupt the natural flow of water run off. Just ask the inhabitants of the southern coal counties about all the flash floods they now experience. Again, no long term planning. |
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JIm
May 14, 2009
6:43 pm
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
By the nature Windmills work, they will always be seen from long distances. Go the web and look at the wind maps. |
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Martin Saffer
May 15, 2009
8:01 am
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
Yes, power is needed. Food is needed too; yet there are no farms in New York City. Wilderness is needed; yet there is none in Washington, D.C. Not every area needs to produce every commodity or be like every other area. We need to play to our strengths. |
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normanalderman
May 15, 2009
8:40 am
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
Isn't coal a strength? |
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Martin Saffer
May 15, 2009
9:16 am
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
Thankfully there is little to no coal here. Second, choices have to be made. Our overall economic and long range eggs are in the basket marked "tourism" and "environment" and "quality of life". |
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JIm
May 15, 2009
10:27 am
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
Choices do have to be made, The citizens of Pocahontas elected you as County Commissioner that was their choice, if those same people ( a majority) opposed your viewpoint and wanted windmills or gas wells would you still represent them or your own values? It seems that people move to Pocahontas for the beauty, slow pace of life and the natives wish it to progress with industry, gas production and logging. Most of your migrants are very active and their voice is heard but they probaly don't represent a majority. How do you decide? Majority rule? I respect your ideas but you as an elected official have a responsibilty to represent the people who voted for you, don't you? I assume that the windmills you speak of, are in Greenbrier Co. I assume you don't like looking at them, I enjoy them because they represent man's abilty to be inventive. Do property rights come in to play. Does West Vaco Meade not have the right to have the windmills. What if they said don't look that way is that their right. We all value different things, if you were a logger, an excavation contractor, a windmill erector, or a gas driller you would have different values. There are some very rundown homes in Pocahontas that are an eye sore should they be torn down in the name of tourism. What if water quality was not an issue with drilling for gas and there is massive volumes of gas under Pocahontas would that be a strength? |
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Joe Ferretti
May 15, 2009
3:46 pm
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
I am all for mining coal. My grandparent and great grandparent worked in the mines in Western Pennsylvania. They raised families on coal wages. However, I want the coal extracted safely (no looking the other way with safety violations) and I want it done with an eye towards some environmental protection. For too long in this state the coal companies have run Charleston. They get the DNR and others charged with preserving our streams to stay out of their way. They blast off mountain tops, fill valleys and then are nowhere to be found when we have massive flooding and hundreds of people displaced. It's about making choices for energy production, yes. It is also about following the law and answering for your mistakes when you don't. If you think coal companies should not be burdened with environmental constraints, work to change the laws. Until then, they are to be enforced. Before two miners burned up in the Aracoma Mine a safety steward contacted Don Blankenship and advised him of a safety hazard with a conveyor belt. Blankenship's response was: "I only want to hear about running coal". That attitute cost two men their lives. That attitude has permeated throughout this state for decades at the expense of billions of dollars in property damage and hundreds of lives. Yes, they should profit, but it should be a fair profit, not derived from ignoring the rules of society. |
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JIm
May 15, 2009
4:57 pm
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Same old story, you support coal then you must want to destroy the environment. I get so tired of that response when coal is brought up. Yes coal mining in the past has been distructive, but laws are in force now that has eased the destruction, does more need to be done, absolutely! I am a contractor, what is a "fair profit", is it on each job, each year. Is there such thing that I make a mistake, is there an "unfair loss"? Should I be guaranteed a fair profit so I don't worry about a loss or I try to make as much I can so when that bad job or year comes I can survive to work again. Attorneys live by someone being liable or to blame, I say when it rains 6 inches in 4 hrs it is nature. You know as well as I do the law is not a perfect document, that is how attorneys make their living, the law is subject to interruption. |
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Joe Ferretti
May 15, 2009
5:45 pm
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
The quote from Blankenship came from testimony in MSHA proceedings. It is part of the reason MAssey was fined huge for the situation at Aracoma. Severe flooding is an every year occurrence in the southern coal counties. One expert (and this has been studied) said the situation there is equivalent to having a 100 year flood every year. We can mine coal safely and profitably. We have the technology and the profit will be there, so long as the board of directors does not see fit to continue to pay one man over $20 million dollars per year. As for attorneys, they typically attempt to seek justice and impose liability when the law and facts permit. There is an "act of God" defense and whenever the facts support such a defense, there is no liability. Most likely there are two things motivating coal company executives to assist in flood clean-ups, culpability or the threat of liability. |
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JIm
May 15, 2009
7:40 pm
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
Joe I don't know where the quote comes from, maybe scriptures "Come, let us reason together" If you would, let me know how you feel about deep well gas drilling. |
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Bill
Oct 19, 2009
2:05 pm
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
This is just the latest industial exploitation of West Virginia's natural resources without considering the impact of these actions. The devastating effects of coal mining and clear cutting timber over large areas are well known. The future effect of wind farms on tourism or their impact on the lives of people who live near them is unknown. We won't know until after the fact when it will be too late to do anything about it. It's because there is no (Here comes the dirty word) zoning or regulation of any kind. WV better wise up before all we have is treeless mountains with their tops removed surrounded by hundreds 300' tall windmills Bill |
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Martin Saffer
Oct 19, 2009
5:16 pm
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Re: Wind Mills Visible From Cranberry!
It doesn't have to involve the "Z" word but I do think West Virginia ought to have a talk with itself to determine its future rather than waking up to see a future outside interests have put on us. |