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Democracy and Good Food

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Martin Saffer
Jun 28, 2010
8:43 pm
Democracy and Good Food

If nothing else, the meeting tonight at the Opera House proved that democracy and good food are alive and well in Pocahontas County. The speakers were thoughtful and everyone got their opportunity to address the meeting. Several good points were raised. The most important being that the Commission and County government are the employees of the people and whatever course is to be chosen will be at the direction of the majority. The second was a call to the Commission to ascertain the actual mandate to do planning and the actual consequences, vis a vis the state pro and con, if planning is or is not done. And lastly, any concept of planning must embrace the fiercely held principle that private property rights must be respected. I was glad to hear every opinion.

normanalderman
Jun 28, 2010
10:13 pm
Re: Democracy and Good Food

Yes, Marty, it was a nice meeting. I am sorry that you and David did not relieve me of the worry that you intend to advance this planning thing into full-fledged zoning. I am sure that is where you are headed so when I asked you to repudiate zoning it was disappointing to me that you and David stonewalled me with no answer.

Marty, you are trapped! Jay Miller is for zoning and you want to support his misguided efforts. He is going to drag you down with him!

JSher
Jun 28, 2010
10:59 pm
Re: Democracy and Good Food

It's obvious that "Zoning" and "Planning" are the same in your and the commission's view. Tonight should really be that wakeup call that your bosses, the PEOPLE and VOTERS of Pocahontas county want neither.

normanalderman
Jun 29, 2010
4:16 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

JSher, you are exactly right. Marty and David looked like two deer in the headlights tonight. They now know that their careers have ended. I expect that they will slither away like two wounded snakes now that they know that the majority of people in Pocahontas County oppose zoning.

Martin Saffer
Jun 29, 2010
5:19 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

I continue to hope, but with failing expectation, that at some point I will no longer hear from some their ready vocabulary of epitaphs and taunts but a return to well chosen words of substance and reason. Rancor with the boisterous tone of self given righteousness thrown at so many is becoming tiresome and attempts to push good debate to school yard brawling.

RML
Jun 29, 2010
8:34 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

When I hear someone speaking loudly and passionately on a subject, I first try to understand the source of their emotions.
On the planning and zoning issue, I have no clue why people are so riled up. We already have extensive local government planning. We have public roads, a public landfill, public schools, power lines and water and sewer lines. All of these are planned by government in cooperation with the citizens.
Where were the opponents to planning when the county got electricity? Clean drinking water? Public schools? The county landfill?
What are planning opponents actually against? All I hear is that they are against the misuse of planning in other jurisdictions. If that’s the case, why bother us with their fears? They should take their objections to those other jurisdictions. Why annoy us with other people's problems?
It seems that the loudest of the opponents to planning want all of the benefits without paying any of the costs. They use the public landfill, drink clean water and sent their kids to school -- all services produced by planning. And they undoubtedly take advantage of other public programs. All the while objecting loudly to the very process which provides them with those benefits.
What’s with that?
Planning is how a society provides what it needs to thrive and protects private property rights against abuse by either government or other individuals or corporations. Planning is about working together to create a better future.
From what I can see, the opponents to planning neither want, nor are able, to work with others in a polite manner. All they seem to produce are threats and insults, never ideas.
I cannot think of a better reason for them to keep quiet and allow the people who actually care about protecting the interests of the citizens of this county work together to ensure a better future. It is far easier to tear down than to build up. If planning opponents refuse to contribute to the hard work of building for the future, the least they can do is to stop tearing down the work of others.
A wise man said "judge a tree by its fruit." The fruit of the planning opponents is tasteless. And their arguments are rotten to the core.
-- Rich Laska

Pam Pritt
Jun 29, 2010
8:55 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

This is merely an observation, not a judgment, taunt or admonition.

Of the five Democratic candidates for county commission, three were in favor of planning, one was kind of ambivalent about it and one said it wasn't necessary.
One of the candidates in favor of planning won the election, so what does that tell us about what our residents want?

The volume of the band has nothing to do with its size, only its ability to make noise. (Sorry, that is kind of a taunt.)

Pam Pritt

normanalderman
Jun 29, 2010
9:03 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

RML would know about tastelessness. His two windmills are the ultimate. But remember, that Pocahontas County had many of its farmlands taken by the US government for the national forest. This bad deed of the past is buried in our social psychic. We are the children of that generation! I believe in "social memory" We don't know how or why we know, but we do!

Martin Saffer
Jun 29, 2010
11:39 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

I think the prudent thing to do would be to listen to voices at the meeting who did not taunt and who represented quiet but strong broad constituents. It is plain to see that a significant part of the community feels that a comprehensive plan as presently contemplated by the legislature is not workable if it would include zoning. Also, it is unclear that even if such a plan were able to be wrought from the fires of controversy that it would do any real good in addressing future disagreements over land uses. I am inclined at this point, after carefully listening, to believe that the Commission would be better served if it concentrated on what it can accomplish and needs to accomplish in individual projects to promote education, jobs, health, safety, water and environmental quality awareness, internet infrastructure, community corrections and an overall sense of community. A comprehensive plan is a political "bridge too far". The Commission can not act with focus if it is side tracked by seeking presently unreachable goals.

normanalderman
Jun 29, 2010
11:39 pm
Re: Democracy and Good Food

Well said, Marty! Now can we get Fleming and Clifton to join you in this decision? We are more than ready to join the battle but it would save us time, effort, and money if you commissioners as a group would "resolve" formally to reject zoning in any form.

I just hope that Clifton will not be angry with you for putting him out on a limb and sawing it off! Goodbye J.L.

normanalderman
Jun 29, 2010
11:43 pm
Re: Democracy and Good Food

Pam, the quality of the band is determined by several things including whether they are in "tune" and all on the same song. Marty and David are not only not in tune; they are on the wrong page playing the wrong song.

By the way where was the "leader of the seventies band" the other night? I would have been been pleased to escort her home like they did in the seventies.

Martin Saffer
Jun 30, 2010
7:42 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

I think we'd all do better if peoplethought less in terms of "battles" and more in terms of working together to find solutions.

Pam Pritt
Jun 30, 2010
8:05 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

I'm away from the mountains for a bit.
But thanks, Norman.
And, Martin, you are correct to say that we should work together to find solutions.
Olive branch, Norman?
How about you put your considerable intelligence toward working on the post-secondary education opportunities for Pocahontas County residents?
You could make things a whole lot better for a whole lot of people. Don't you want to do that?
Comprehensive planning must be a dead issue now. Work on something positive, old boy. Help our kids get more education and be able to stay home while they do it.
You're always presenting challenges to people to do what you want them to. Consider this one your challenge.
And if you don't like the education venue, there are other things that capture your interest, like preserving our history.
All of it takes some planning, but has nothing to do with land use or zoning.
Go ahead, Norman, make everyone's day. Be a positive force.

Pam Pritt
Jun 30, 2010
8:16 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

To borrow a phrase, listen to the better angels of your nature.
You have them, just like everyone else does.

normanalderman
Jun 30, 2010
9:35 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

Thank you, Pam! I am extremely pleased that Martin has decided to drop the zoning issue. It brought back awful memories. I know that it was sure to cause great conflict in this county. Avoiding the conflict was my goal. I was delighted to engage in the battle because I knew that it was the will of the people. But at the same time, I felt tired and weary from our others battles to retain our freedom.

Zoning was a restriction of our freedom. I was working to prevent that restriction. I am grateful that you appeared to be supportive of my effort. I consider that my efforts were extremely positive and one of the best examples of how we can do great good for our community by opposing restrictions upon it. This, then, was a positive effort and a successfully positive effort.

I was doing this in memory of the Sharp family. I am sure that they will applaud our efforts.

Wars are positive efforts. Otherwise, we would be speaking German or Japanese today instead of English. Fighting gov regulation is a positive effort. I was glad to do my small part to advance the cause of freedom.

I am currently struggling to separate the Local Foods Group effort from the threat of zoning because of the shoehorning that occurred with the meeting re: zoning. Those two should not have been at the same time. I wish the Local foods group the best of success and I hear good things. I only hope that I can forget that the CC tried to use them to advance the cause of gov reg when they knew that farming is the first target of the zoners (See Charlie Wilfong video for proof)

Thanks again!

Pam Pritt
Jun 30, 2010
11:31 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

You can go all "victors and spoils of war" if you want, but what I MEANT was, if you've won the battle, you've still got a war, and not the one you think.
You've got a responsibility to come up with something for the county's future besides tearing down every idea anyone else has.

Good luck.

normanalderman
Jun 30, 2010
8:51 pm
Re: Democracy and Good Food

Pam, I have some great ideas for our county future. But first, I want to retain the magic that made this beautiful county so beautiful. I am in favor of freedom and liberty. An awful lot of people like things the way they are; I am one of them. Lots of folks buy land here because they like what we have been doing for so many years. Let's not change the formula for sucess.

Linda gibb
Jul 2, 2010
5:34 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

Rich, that was very well stated,. You made some good points.
Pam you also made some good points but I'm afraid that when it comes to Norman you may as well talk to your dog with your suggestions. YOur dog would listen as good as Norman. Making nice suggestions to Norman is like beating a dead horse.

Pam Pritt
Jul 2, 2010
6:28 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

Thanks, Linda.
Insulting him doesn't do any good either.
Oddly, I've gotten the feeling that Norman and Martin totally agree on what they want the county to look like. Martin doesn't want things to change and neither does Norman. They just want to use different tactics to get where they want us to go.
But I respectfully disagree with the formula for success Norman mentions.
Doing nothing has cost us businesses and now a workforce. We're missing a generation in Pocahontas County. How do we make up for that? How do we make sure we have quality schools so young people with families will want to stay here? How do we find that balance we need for preserving the area's natural resources like clean air and water and attract a few jobs-producing businesses? How do we honor our history and still keep an eye on the future? And, most importantly, ow do we keep PMH healthy?
Doing nothing? Does that sound right to anybody?

Linda gibb
Jul 2, 2010
7:25 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

Pam,
You know as well as I do that doing nothing will make for urban sprawl. I wish Norman could visit my area & see the wonderful results of planning. Maybe Norman doesn't care if someone puts a junk yard on the property next to his but I think if you were to ask the citizens of PC you would find that most of them do Not want a junk yard next to them, but without careful planning that is exactly what they could end up with.

Martin Saffer
Jul 2, 2010
7:37 am
Re: Democracy and Good Food

Pam, your questions are difficult to answer. Balance is the watch word as you point out, but to my thinking sometimes it is impossible to achieve since everything has a cost and in some things we, as a community, will need to be on one side of the fence or another. Some industries are plainly at odds with our environmental and cultural assets and some our very compatible. Together, the community will have to make choices. Education, job force, community health and quality of life all in some way boil down to a common denominator of "spiritual values" and "attitudes"; things which need constant cultivation and nutrition in all of us. I just bought the History of Pocahontas County at the Hillsboro Festival last week; it's an impressive work detailing the bed rock of culture upon which the county presently rests. I believe we should attempt to hold fast to the basic tenant that "hard work produces the best and longest lasting result". Simply, there are no quick fixes to your questions. So in this sense, I do not want things to change. I do not believe that there are quick fixes or softer easier ways.
There are jobs here now for men and women who are willing to work very hard and to have long range goals. Almost every craftsman or contractor who has done work for me has said that they want help and are willing to teach their trades but can not find reliable young people to work. And drug addiction was a common complaint. Education is not given away or won in a lottery. It is the product gotten by hard work.
PMH is taking a brand new turn with its alliance with Minnie Hamilton Health Systems which will provide new leadership. I think this is the needed change for the hospital.

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