Democracy and Good Food
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Martin Saffer
Jun 28, 2010
8:43 pm
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Democracy and Good Food
If nothing else, the meeting tonight at the Opera House proved that democracy and good food are alive and well in Pocahontas County. The speakers were thoughtful and everyone got their opportunity to address the meeting. Several good points were raised. The most important being that the Commission and County government are the employees of the people and whatever course is to be chosen will be at the direction of the majority. The second was a call to the Commission to ascertain the actual mandate to do planning and the actual consequences, vis a vis the state pro and con, if planning is or is not done. And lastly, any concept of planning must embrace the fiercely held principle that private property rights must be respected. I was glad to hear every opinion. |
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normanalderman
Jun 28, 2010
10:13 pm
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
Yes, Marty, it was a nice meeting. I am sorry that you and David did not relieve me of the worry that you intend to advance this planning thing into full-fledged zoning. I am sure that is where you are headed so when I asked you to repudiate zoning it was disappointing to me that you and David stonewalled me with no answer. Marty, you are trapped! Jay Miller is for zoning and you want to support his misguided efforts. He is going to drag you down with him! |
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JSher
Jun 28, 2010
10:59 pm
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
It's obvious that "Zoning" and "Planning" are the same in your and the commission's view. Tonight should really be that wakeup call that your bosses, the PEOPLE and VOTERS of Pocahontas county want neither. |
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normanalderman
Jun 29, 2010
4:16 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
JSher, you are exactly right. Marty and David looked like two deer in the headlights tonight. They now know that their careers have ended. I expect that they will slither away like two wounded snakes now that they know that the majority of people in Pocahontas County oppose zoning. |
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Martin Saffer
Jun 29, 2010
5:19 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
I continue to hope, but with failing expectation, that at some point I will no longer hear from some their ready vocabulary of epitaphs and taunts but a return to well chosen words of substance and reason. Rancor with the boisterous tone of self given righteousness thrown at so many is becoming tiresome and attempts to push good debate to school yard brawling. |
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RML
Jun 29, 2010
8:34 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
When I hear someone speaking loudly and passionately on a subject, I first try to understand the source of their emotions. |
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Pam Pritt
Jun 29, 2010
8:55 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
This is merely an observation, not a judgment, taunt or admonition. Of the five Democratic candidates for county commission, three were in favor of planning, one was kind of ambivalent about it and one said it wasn't necessary. The volume of the band has nothing to do with its size, only its ability to make noise. (Sorry, that is kind of a taunt.) Pam Pritt |
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normanalderman
Jun 29, 2010
9:03 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
RML would know about tastelessness. His two windmills are the ultimate. But remember, that Pocahontas County had many of its farmlands taken by the US government for the national forest. This bad deed of the past is buried in our social psychic. We are the children of that generation! I believe in "social memory" We don't know how or why we know, but we do! |
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Martin Saffer
Jun 29, 2010
11:39 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
I think the prudent thing to do would be to listen to voices at the meeting who did not taunt and who represented quiet but strong broad constituents. It is plain to see that a significant part of the community feels that a comprehensive plan as presently contemplated by the legislature is not workable if it would include zoning. Also, it is unclear that even if such a plan were able to be wrought from the fires of controversy that it would do any real good in addressing future disagreements over land uses. I am inclined at this point, after carefully listening, to believe that the Commission would be better served if it concentrated on what it can accomplish and needs to accomplish in individual projects to promote education, jobs, health, safety, water and environmental quality awareness, internet infrastructure, community corrections and an overall sense of community. A comprehensive plan is a political "bridge too far". The Commission can not act with focus if it is side tracked by seeking presently unreachable goals. |
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normanalderman
Jun 29, 2010
11:39 pm
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
Well said, Marty! Now can we get Fleming and Clifton to join you in this decision? We are more than ready to join the battle but it would save us time, effort, and money if you commissioners as a group would "resolve" formally to reject zoning in any form. I just hope that Clifton will not be angry with you for putting him out on a limb and sawing it off! Goodbye J.L. |
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normanalderman
Jun 29, 2010
11:43 pm
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
Pam, the quality of the band is determined by several things including whether they are in "tune" and all on the same song. Marty and David are not only not in tune; they are on the wrong page playing the wrong song. By the way where was the "leader of the seventies band" the other night? I would have been been pleased to escort her home like they did in the seventies. |
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Martin Saffer
Jun 30, 2010
7:42 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
I think we'd all do better if peoplethought less in terms of "battles" and more in terms of working together to find solutions. |
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Pam Pritt
Jun 30, 2010
8:05 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
I'm away from the mountains for a bit. |
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Pam Pritt
Jun 30, 2010
8:16 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
To borrow a phrase, listen to the better angels of your nature. |
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normanalderman
Jun 30, 2010
9:35 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
Thank you, Pam! I am extremely pleased that Martin has decided to drop the zoning issue. It brought back awful memories. I know that it was sure to cause great conflict in this county. Avoiding the conflict was my goal. I was delighted to engage in the battle because I knew that it was the will of the people. But at the same time, I felt tired and weary from our others battles to retain our freedom. Zoning was a restriction of our freedom. I was working to prevent that restriction. I am grateful that you appeared to be supportive of my effort. I consider that my efforts were extremely positive and one of the best examples of how we can do great good for our community by opposing restrictions upon it. This, then, was a positive effort and a successfully positive effort. I was doing this in memory of the Sharp family. I am sure that they will applaud our efforts. Wars are positive efforts. Otherwise, we would be speaking German or Japanese today instead of English. Fighting gov regulation is a positive effort. I was glad to do my small part to advance the cause of freedom. I am currently struggling to separate the Local Foods Group effort from the threat of zoning because of the shoehorning that occurred with the meeting re: zoning. Those two should not have been at the same time. I wish the Local foods group the best of success and I hear good things. I only hope that I can forget that the CC tried to use them to advance the cause of gov reg when they knew that farming is the first target of the zoners (See Charlie Wilfong video for proof) Thanks again! |
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Pam Pritt
Jun 30, 2010
11:31 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
You can go all "victors and spoils of war" if you want, but what I MEANT was, if you've won the battle, you've still got a war, and not the one you think. Good luck. |
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normanalderman
Jun 30, 2010
8:51 pm
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
Pam, I have some great ideas for our county future. But first, I want to retain the magic that made this beautiful county so beautiful. I am in favor of freedom and liberty. An awful lot of people like things the way they are; I am one of them. Lots of folks buy land here because they like what we have been doing for so many years. Let's not change the formula for sucess. |
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Linda gibb
Jul 2, 2010
5:34 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
Rich, that was very well stated,. You made some good points. |
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Pam Pritt
Jul 2, 2010
6:28 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
Thanks, Linda. |
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Linda gibb
Jul 2, 2010
7:25 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
Pam, |
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Martin Saffer
Jul 2, 2010
7:37 am
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Re: Democracy and Good Food
Pam, your questions are difficult to answer. Balance is the watch word as you point out, but to my thinking sometimes it is impossible to achieve since everything has a cost and in some things we, as a community, will need to be on one side of the fence or another. Some industries are plainly at odds with our environmental and cultural assets and some our very compatible. Together, the community will have to make choices. Education, job force, community health and quality of life all in some way boil down to a common denominator of "spiritual values" and "attitudes"; things which need constant cultivation and nutrition in all of us. I just bought the History of Pocahontas County at the Hillsboro Festival last week; it's an impressive work detailing the bed rock of culture upon which the county presently rests. I believe we should attempt to hold fast to the basic tenant that "hard work produces the best and longest lasting result". Simply, there are no quick fixes to your questions. So in this sense, I do not want things to change. I do not believe that there are quick fixes or softer easier ways. |